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solante52 |
What do athestists believe in? |
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Simply a question.
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Rational02 |
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Reality, not Magic
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StarrDusting |
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Nothing, I thought. Religious wise, that is. It's an individual thing. To each his own.
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Cassakay |
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Probably the same things most people believe in, just without a belief in the divine. I've often heard atheists defined as people who definitively
don't believe in a God or gods, with a clear distinction between that group and the more flexible agnostics, but I'm not sure that's a widely
accepted categorization.
"Guess what? I have flaws! What are they? Oh, I don't know... I sing in the shower? Sometimes I spend too much time volunteering. Occasionally I'll hit somebody with my car. So sue me. No, don't sue me. That is... that is opposite the point I'm trying to make." --Michael Scott at "The Office" |
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solante52 wrote: This begs the question, "Why do atheistists ( or people ) need to believe in anything? Why not us the simple 'an absence of belief in deities' which does not imply a belief.
LEGALIZE THE CONSTITUTION!
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Dannytoro |
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.....Flat Earth?........String Physics? Other Science? Since rendered false?.......
"That's Mr. Esquimaux Savage to you"
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Atheists lack a belief in god(s). They are defined by what they don't believe in.
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Rational02 |
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An ad campaign for atheism in London is aiming to counter religious ads, one bus billboard at a time. Read Article »
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Luck of the Draw |
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Reality, not Magic
I like it! And the bus campaign also. Oddly came across this.....food for thought
Yesterday I went to see The Atheist, a play by
Ronan Noone. The only character is a morally bankrupt journalist, played by an excellent Campbell Scott, who cynically manipulates his mother, his
colleagues, his girlfriend and the world at large in a single minded and ultimately devastating pursuit of fame. Though some of the details of the plot are
scarcely believable, the character is absolutely fascinating, not in small part because of Scott's spectacular performance at New York's Barrow
Street Theater. The real problem with the play is the title.
"Atheist" here is used as a straightforward and unquestioned synonym for amoral (not quite immoral, as the main character never really does anything illegal, always teetering on the fuzzy borderlands of morality, which greatly contributes to making the play interesting and the protagonist intriguing). Augustine Early, the Atheist, simply tells the audience how he arrived at the conclusion that he ought to pursue only his self-interest: "I didn't come into my own, understand my talent that is, until after I lost my faith in God, and once I let that go... +@@##*' carte blanche!" Now, imagine what would have happened if Noone had written a play about, say, sexual depravity, and entitled it "The Homosexual." Or one about religious intolerance with the title "The Muslim." Or one about corrupt financiers called "The Jew." You get the drift. Augustine Early is not an atheist in any interesting sense of the word, and his behavior arises out of an ingrained lack of empathy for humanity, not a disbelief in god. Early doesn't talk much about atheism during the play, with only a few sentences on the topic at the beginning of each act. Indeed, we glimpse the possibility that his cynical atheism was in fact a consequence of his rough upbringing with a single mother in a trailer park, certainly not of any deep philosophical reflection. It also becomes increasingly clear during the play that Early is naturally prone to the kind of behavior he engages in. Whether this behavior is due to his upbringing or because of some sort of brain dysfunction is left unexplored. To be an atheist, contrary to what Noone seems to believe, has nothing to do with being nasty and exploitative toward fellow human beings. Sure, some atheists are not very pleasant human beings, just like plenty of religious folks of any sect are immoral despite their loud professions of faith (let's remember that, statistically speaking, there are many more believers than atheists in American prisons, compared to the make up of the general population…). To be an atheist means to take responsibility for one's moral choices, a much more difficult task than the one faced by any religious person who simply has to follow a small number of dictated rules (and yet, as we see repeatedly, they can't even manage that, particularly the one about not killing fellow humans). Atheism puts the human being in charge of charting her path through life, and charges that human being with full responsibility for her choices. Compared to the infantile worldview of a religionist, an atheist is fully aware that most moral questions are not black and white, that there are no easily identifiable heros and villains. Moreover, the atheist has a deep cultural and historical perspective, and is aware of the fact that while certain moral imperatives are truly universal for humans (again, chiefly "do not kill other human beings unless you have absolutely compelling reasons to do so"), most so-called morality is actually local and changes with the time and place. Accordingly, an atheist has to be able to articulate and deploy a complex view of morality that distinguishes what is really moral or immoral from what is only a matter of arbitrary custom, with a large and complex territory of gray in between. It is tough to be an atheist, much tougher than being a religionist, and certainly much more complicated than the cartoonish sketch that Noone presents in his play. Noone's casual equivalency between atheism and amoralism is insulting to atheists and downright dangerous in a society that still uncritically accepts such equivalence. Atheists truly are the last minority in the United States whom it is perfectly politically correct to bash in public, and plays like The Atheist contribute to reinforce and propagate the stereotype. Art is supposed to show us the way forward, to question societal stereotypes, to upset audiences and make them think. I couldn't detect any thinking about atheism going on during Noone's play, which unfortunately turned the work into a colossal wasted opportunity. I am seriously considering going back to the theater and greet patrons for the next performance while sporting a brightly colored "Your Friendly Atheist Neighbor" t-shirt. Care to join me? Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but the moments that take our breath away... |
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Probably the same things most people believe in, just without a belief in the divine.That's it in total. There's no one-size-fits-all when it comes to atheism, and the only thing we necessarily have in common is that we have no belief in gods. Anybody's gods. Otherwise, we're as diverse as any other set of people. Mac
"All my life, I always wanted to be somebody. Now I see that I should have been more specific." ~ Lily Tomlin
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Sassy Nation |
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I believe in myself. I believe in the power within me.
My favorite claim christians have is 'please pray for me to find a job". Ok. So you have to look in the paper, find a open position, fill out an app, turn in your resume. Go to the interview. and dazzle them with brilliance. then they hire you. then you thank God you got the job. Now...exactly WHAT did GOD do to get you this job? did HE look thru the want ads? did HE fill out the app? did HE go to the interview? We all have the power within us...some just want to minimize their power and think its a divine thing.
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Some atheists believe in the Dharma.
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"Atheists truly are the last minority in the United States whom it is perfectly politically correct to bash in public"
Wow, a new group of victims have been found by the author, athiests. I disagree with his contention, but he seems to need to be a victim so it's fine with me. For me, I think the athiest's "faith" that there is no god or gods equal to the extreme religists "faith" that their books are the absolute word of god. Both require faith as absence of proof does not equal proof. The conceit of both extremes are equally scary to me. On the other hand it has become politically correct to bash the "religists" majority. |
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I always enjoyed the movie Shenadoah when Charlie Anderson, played by Jimmy Stewart, says grace:
Lord, we cleared this land. We plowed it, sowed it, and harvested it. We cook the harvest. It wouldn't be here and we wouldn't be eating it if we hadn't done it all ourselves. We worked dog-bone hard for every crumb and morsel, but we thank you Lord just the same for the food we're about to eat. Amen. |
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Well, let's see. I believe that as sure as I live and breath, I will die. And I belive that about every thing in the world that is alive. I belive in a few
things I can not see and have never seen. For instance, I believe men walked on the moon. I believe all life evolved by way of a chemical process. And that the
world as we know it came into being by the physical world as we didn't know it following the basic laws of physics. I believe "god" or
"gods" were developed from a need to understand the world around us., and to the little human brain of 25,000 years ago a "god" was easier
to understand as a Prime Mover.
I believe many people find solice in having a belief in a god.That's fine with me. If it takes some of the drudgery of day to day living away, or eases a pained psyche in times of trouble, that's a wonderful thing. Personaly I look for comfort in reality rather than mythology, but , That's just me.
After all is said and done, more is said than done.
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Rational02 |
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Years ago, and that means 30 or more years, I read a research study that found Atheists as a group, to be more kind, loving, caring and giving than just about
any Christian group...
Later I read another study..which found the highest percentage mental disturbance in the Born Again church when compared to other churches and Atheists scored near the bottom in incidence of mental disorder... I also worked at a couple of universities and one had to search high and low to find a faculty member who believed in any kind of religion...I figured that because university professors tend to be very bright. Same reason the Einstein didn't believe in an invisible god |
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solante52 |
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A sentence often stated.
"I believe in nothing." "nothing" is a noun. A noun is a content word that can be used to refer to a person, place, thing, quality, or action. "Nothing" is a noun that defines something which has no value. Henceforth "value", as a noun, indicates an amount regarded as a fair equivalent for something If "nothing" has no "value" then that carries on in theory to the definition that "nothing" is a something. If "nothing" is a "something" then it has "value". A person cannot say that they believe in nothing for nothing is an entity. It's just the antithesis of the pronoun "everything". If a person says that they believe in nothing, they are actually saying that they believe in something. The verb "believe" means to accept as real or true. "I accept as real and true that nothing is something." Atheists do believe in something They believe in the existence of nothing. Tis but a philosophical question and great thought was given to my posted question. Such is my answer to the question. Sola |
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Tronport |
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Nothing plus nothing equals nothing. You gotta have something, if ya wanna dance with me...
I like the phrase "God is in the details". ~6.5 billion people = ~6.5 billion different beliefs and/or opinions. No two or more have ever been, or ever will be, exactly alike, as no two or more humans have ever been, or ever will be, exactly alike. If everyone would simply accept the reality that each and every individual is unique in their personal belief (or lack thereof) we might all get along a little better… To each their own, good night and may your God go with you. |
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Tis but a philosophical question and great thought was given to my posted question.What a interesting way you have. Post a question and have a very good clear answer. Tron your last sentence has me puzzled? ELk I had forgot about that Prayer Jimmy Stewart gave. It does make a darn good point.
A distant relatives husband was having a big life and death surgery. She is telling me all about it and of course we are all worried. Then she comes out with "I have put it all in Gods hands" I wanted to but did not say, I hope that Surgeon does all he can to save his life! OK, the guy did great and she thanks 'God' Personally I would have been giving some thanks and credit to the Surgeon (At least included him in the Thank You Part) graceyacums
If we are destroy the world we live in, in an effort to protect, we should re-evaluate our methods of security and
protection. Otherwise there is no point at all in what we do after we have destroyed our world. Oh Six
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"A person cannot say that they believe in nothing for nothing is an entity." Sola "I'm lying." "I like the phrase "God is in the details"." Tron I hadn't hear it. Smooth. |
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One can easily believe in nothing.
Nothing is not just the absence of something. Just a few facts about nothing: 1) Nothing satisfys thirst better than water. 2) Nothing will get kids to eat healthy foods. 3) Nothing actually cures maloe pattern baldness 4) Nothing lasts forever 5) Nothing can cure the common cold and my personal favorite 6) Nothing is better than sex.
After all is said and done, more is said than done.
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