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May 29 17 2:33 AM
sear wrote:You're arguing the means.
My focus is the ends. I favor "utilitarianism", the greatest good for the greatest number of people.
The question then becomes: what is the best way to achieve those ends. And I doubt either pure socialism, or pure capitalism is the answer to that.
May 29 17 9:03 AM
"So you want something like Denmark where the businesses are capitalistic but they have very good social programs like welfare, housing and free healthcare. But the drawback is that nothing is free since they pay twice the amount of taxes as the USA." R1
"In Denmark, they start paying 60% tax rate anything over $55K so that is very high. Nothing is free in this world. The greatest good for the greatest number of people can be achieve by the greatest amount of people going to work and they don't have any kid at all which will save $200K so that person will have $200K in their bank account if they stay away from having a kid for 20 years."
May 30 17 1:30 AM
Would they be higher than all the citizen pays in the mainly capitalism model?
For one obvious example:
- Government regulates healthcare. Government licenses doctors, establishes healthcare protocols, etc.
- Though the tax payer surely pays more tax in this system, the question is:
do they get a better deal on the additional things they pay tax for, that they'd otherwise have to pay for individually.
Another way to look at that is; if the average worker's expendable budget with mainly capitalism is 20%
But that same worker's expendable budget in the more socialist model is 25%, then it would seem the more socialist model is the better deal.
I have no kids.
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Jun 6 17 5:58 PM
pastor kidneys wrote:12% of Americans rely on food banks and soup kitchens to survive
in excess of half a million are homeless
many other Americans are dying or have their lives severly limited by diseases which they cannot afford to have treated
Did you know that America has the highest rate of neonatal maternal death in the industrial world - largely due to peoples inability to access affordable health care
how is capitalism working out for those people?
Jun 7 17 7:41 AM
I have a job and work and save my money
Jun 7 17 10:30 AM
" I asked how capitalism was working out for the 500 000+ homeless " pk #13
"that means that over half your country is one missed pay check from destitution" pk #13
Jun 7 17 11:16 AM
Is 500 001+ such a severe price to pay, if the rest of the society have a standard of living twice that of the base comparison model?
Jun 7 17 12:35 PM
"But do they?" pk
"... Castro says that a half century of communist rule seemed like a good idea, right up until the part where he was rushed to the hospital in a '55 Oldsmobile." Conan O'Brian
Jun 7 17 5:46 PM
During the protracted embargo, it was Cubans that risked life and limb to get to the U.S
Jun 7 17 6:24 PM
"I wonder if the American embargo which was throttling the life out of Cuba had any influence on that (it was certainly intended to)" pk #17
"but you go one to list people who may be fleeing from totalitarianism NOT socialism."
"All in all it seemed to work OK no one that I saw was either very rich or very poor although Im sure that there were some of both hidden away somewhere"
Jun 8 17 7:52 AM
If Fidel's leadership were geared toward the benefit of his People, whatever the U.S. did or didn't shouldn't have mattered much.
Jun 8 17 1:38 PM
(reductio ad absurdum ) and if the US measured had managed to totally block supplies of food and medicine - that wouldnt have mattered much to Cubans so long as Castro was benevolent?" pk #19
"The US embargo hurt Cuba, and it was intended to hurt, of course it would have improved the short term lot of the average Cuban if Castro had thrown in the towel and applied to be the 51st state although whether that would have led to a long term improvement I cannot say (but I think not, Costa Rico isnt doing too well is it?)."
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