http://news.yahoo.com/s/n...s_nm/usa_poll_politics_dc
McCain leads Obama among likely U.S. voters by 46 percent to 41 percent, wiping out Obama's solid 7-point advantage in July and taking his first lead in the monthly Reuters/Zogby poll
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Why is Obama's support fading?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/n...s_nm/usa_poll_politics_dc McCain leads Obama among likely U.S. voters by 46 percent to 41 percent, wiping out Obama's solid 7-point advantage in July and taking his first lead in the monthly Reuters/Zogby poll |
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...Seems like it all started with that big trip.Constantly resorting to nuance does not inspire much confidence either....Looks like maybe another lousy repug
win due to a weak dem candidate.....It's sad both partys offer such weak choices.....
"40 years of economic chaos brought to you by the two party system"
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Elk,
It's an interesting trend. I don't think there's too much to worry about, considering neither party has had their convention. I'll be curious to see how those conventions unfold. Dt, I wonder. Are they weak candidates? Which of the Primary candidates did you prefer? I suspect expectations are too high. The only candidate that ever ran for President of the U.S. that advocated for what I believe on almost ever issue was Andre Marrou, in 1992. He ran as a Libertarian. I don't think he got 5% of the vote. |
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I think what hurt Obama was his continued vacation when fighting started between Russia and Georgia. He looked and acted very unpresidential in the public eye
in my opinion. He should have cancelled his vacation and went toe-to-toe with McCain. Instead, McCain came out looking like much more the "statesman"
in international policy/affairs.
I think Sear has said (among others) that this coming election is Obama's to lose. It is hard for me to imagine that after Bush another Rep might be elected. But this close to the final stretch, for McCain to have a five point lead, I have to surmise that the public has learned almost nothing from the bad experience of aprox. seven years under the thumb of Bush and the Reps. Once again the general public is proving itself to be a pack of fools, easily manipulated into making the same bad choices over and over again in perpetuity. John Lennon must be doing faster-than-light speed spins in his grave by now...
No thought or action can be both preordained and an act of free will at the same time.
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Business as usual. McCain to invade Iran and Russia in first year of presidency.
The truths of religion are never so well understood as by those who have lost the power of reasoning.
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Folks,
I would put money on Mc Cain winning. I note that he said "I'm sorry to tell you this, my friends, but there will be more wars." Oh well, you get what you pay for I guess. In one way I quite like this, because for once the Republicans will have to clean up their own deficits and foreign entanglements. For any president, the next four years would be a poisoned chalice, so why not Mc Cain? Living in Europe makes it easier to say this, of course. e. |
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.....I understand Obama did not look real confident in the Saddleback debate.For sure some of his answers were dumb.......
"40 years of economic chaos brought to you by the two party system"
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"...because for once the Republicans will have to clean up their own deficits and foreign entanglements." -ethinker
I think you give far too much credit to the Republican party and McCain by saying this. If Bush managed to run up the tab over the last ~7 years, what in the world makes you think another Rep. president is going to "clean up" the mess? Bush still maintains that there is no mess to clean up. McCain, if elected, will very likely see fit to just keep on doing what has worked so well for Bush. When in doubt lie like a rug and pretend that nothing is wrong.
No thought or action can be both preordained and an act of free will at the same time.
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Dannytoro wrote: Danny, He's great on the stump but the wind goes out of his sails in the debates. This is most frustrating. Why can't the dems pick a scrapper? e. |
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"...because for once the Republicans will have to clean up their own deficits and foreign entanglements." -ethinker
Ironport>>I think you give far too much credit to the Republican party and McCain by saying this. If Bush managed to run up the tab over the last ~7 years, what in the world makes you think another Rep. president is going to "clean up" the mess? Bush still maintains that there is no mess to clean up. McCain, if elected, will very likely see fit to just keep on doing what has worked so well for Bush. When in doubt lie like a rug and pretend that nothing is wrong. *Mel*>>Exactly when did our POTUS maintain that there was no mess? Seems the honest thing would be that he saw a mess and initiated the SURGE to fix it and that is doing the job it was meant to do. And I am sure you can point out any lie told by Mr. Bush and the time (s) he pretended there was nothing wrong. The one about Rumsfeld staying is a nothing. |
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Mel, if it hasn't become incredibly obvious to you by now that Bush is/was/will continue to be a pretentious liar and deceiver to and of the general
public, then quite obviously you fail to fully grasp reality. "I want to be a uniter and not a divider".
In light of your last post I doubt there is anything I could say that has any chance of changing your mind. If I'm not mistaken you've had the facts pointed out to you numerous times on this board. I see no point or purpose in doing so yet again, as it will almost certainly be a waste of my time to do so. Sorry to Sear and Grace if this post seems in any way unruly or insulting, but unless Mel's post was meant as a joke, then in my opinion I'm actually being rather kind in my response. Let me know if I need to tone it down in your considered opinion(s).
No thought or action can be both preordained and an act of free will at the same time.
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From LV's post at the link at the bottom.
The George W. Bush Presidential Library is now in the planning stages. The Library will include: The Hurricane Katrina Room, which is still under construction. The Alberto Gonzales Room, where you won't be able to remember anything. The Texas Air National Guard Room, where you don't even have to show up. The Walter Reed Hospital Room, where they don't let you in. The Guantanamo Bay Room, where they don't let you out. The Weapons of Mass Destruction Room, which no one has been able to find. The National Debt room which is huge and has no ceiling. The 'Tax Cut' Room with entry only to the wealthy. The 'Economy Room' which is in the toilet. The Iraq War Room. After you complete your first tour, they make you to go back for a second, third, fourth, and sometimes fifth tour. The $+$@ Cheney Room, in the famous undisclosed location, complete with shotgun gallery. The Environmental Conservation Room, still empty. The Supreme Court's Gift Shop, where you can buy an election. The Airport Men's Room, where you can meet some of your favorite Republican Senators. The 'Decider Room' complete with dart board, magic 8-ball, Ouija board, dice, coins, and straws. The museum will also have an electron microscope to help you locate the President's accomplishments. http://atheism.yuku.com/topic/2104
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I cannot imagine this country even thinking of another run of the Republicans. It really boggles my mind to think we can be such imbeciles. How we were
even at all terrifies me!
It all (IMO) boils down to fanatic religions again. I watched the other night and the mixed up stories I have heard Obama said about abortion. (There must be at least 10 untrue stories circulating around) 'the Internet and e-mails are full of out and out lies about what Obama really said' I heard every word he said and several times as I saw repeats of it all. (I have even heard he wants to kill all babies?) He did not come close to saying anything like that. 'His stance was Pro-Choice and try to stop abortion entirely (like I have been preaching for years now.) By education and contraception's. He had many great ideas. He does not want to kill babies, he wants to educate to stop this extremely high rate of abortion that grows more and more every year. It was very intelligent and I thought well thought out, and he was using sense. His issue on orphan adoption was fabulous with a great incentive for all children to have parents. Then comes McCain and very staunchly states I believe life begins' at conception and he got a standing ovation! (That can only tell us Religion' are in Charge of Politics) MO and always has been is Religion has no place in politics. If he does get in and stops abortion completely we will be right back to quacks, back alleys, coat hangers dead mothers and babies. I dislike Abortion too, (so does Obama) however I certainly am for contraception to stop this needless slaughter. (And it indeed is needless) I don't care if you're Catholic, Protestant. Jewish, Muslim, Agnostic, atheist or what ever, we need not slaughter hundreds of thousands of babies a year by abortion. It is totally Ignorant and if I have to hear this new 'Abortificant' word one more time! If those against an Abortificant, they are against 'breast feeding too' as that prevents one of getting pregnant. I thought Obama beat McCain hands down on intelligence. We need new young blood to lead us in a direction away from war and Inflation and (YES) the biggest mess our country has seen in decades. Tronport you were not unkind at all and I totally agree with you on 'Why waste our/your time explaining again and again' The same issue that has been proven over and over. lemmel10, while we like points of views, yours included. We all can read! We all are intelligent enough we need not be yelled at. I always feel when one uses extra large font 'I am being yelled at' While at times some font can use bolding or a bit larger, your habit of large font is old. Would you please post in normal font or bold as necessary? I have heard others say they feel they are being yelled at with extra Large font and we would not want any poster to feel they are being yelled at, so I am asking you to please keep your entire post font size down. OK? Thank you! grace06 CoAdministration/with sear |
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Thanks Grace, as always you are the "nice" one!
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Grace,
I agree completely wth your view on the Obama/Mc Cain race. Religion plays a big part in US politics. However, there is something else. The right dominate with 'one liners' and people remember them. How could I forget "Drill here and drill now!" Of course it was wrong on the facts, but people remember the line. Obama, and other dems have a tendency to talk around the issues. Unless we are intellectual types we can come away muddled. Obama needs some one liners and he needs them quick. He made a start with 'A bush third term' but it's still not specific enough. He needs lines that we don't have to think about. He could make a start with "Read my lips - no new taxes!" e. |
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'A bush third term'........I think that's a lot more useful in the Obama camp. Most independents and Conservatives recognize the long historical animus between McCain and Bush. Indeed lately, Obama has made some very Bush like alignments........
"40 years of economic chaos brought to you by the two party system"
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Obama's problem is that the people in the middle that he needs are tired of his show. We didn't like the Europe trip, and are concerned about how he
handles himself outside a prepared speech. It concerns us that he might not believe what he is saying and that he is unable to speak off the top of his mind
because he knows what he believes is not what we want to hear.
I'm not sure why he is loosing his base, but it is probably the same reason, just they don't like his pandering to the middle. While he started strong showing himself as something different, new, and fresh, his actions have shown him to be another typical politician full of flip flops, pandering, and trying to appease the audience, not sticking to what he believes. |
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Well that which would help Obama immensely is if the media/nation scrutinized McCain in the same manner/fashion they have Obama. They are kid gloving McCain the same manner/fashion the kid gloved the "WAR" president. And flip-flop will give them what they wish to hear....be it war mongers, religious, bigots etc............the "enuffs" list? Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but the moments that take our breath away... |
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...I'm sure Clinton PUMAs are not helping Obama either.........
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For any president, the next four years would be a poisoned chalice, so why not Mc Cain?Oh, dear Zorb, haven't the last eight been poison enough for everyone? 1. The first Bush election wasn't so much an election as it was a rape, and the second was so slim it could be considered anorexic in spite of the fact that the opposition had all the charm, charisma and political skill of tofu. 2. We're entangled in two foreign wars, one of which might conceivably have been justified but which is hanging in limbo and hurting hundreds of thousands of civilians, the other of which is the result of deliberate lies and appears to have been motivated by profit, revenge and/or opportunism and is likewise hurting hundreds of thousands of civilians. 3. The country is divided (by the Great Uniter, mind you!) into red/blue camps because the current administration has successfully equated dissent with treason and has fomented hysteria to the exclusion of reason. 4. Our civil rights are being eroded at such a rate that "habeas corpus" has become a quaint, useless concept rather like wearing red flannel to ward off the Black Plague. 5. The economy has tanked to the point where even the comparatively rich are feeling the burn and our descendants...it's progressed beyond the boundaries of a single generation...will still be paying the interest on our debts a hundred years from now (assuming we survive that long). 6. The hitherto defunct Cold War threatens (paradoxically speaking) to be reignited via a series of executive misadventures, and I promise everyone that this president does NOT have the gravitas and demeanor that JFK was able to draw on, nor is his opponent the shoe-pounding party hack of yesteryear. 7. We are increasingly being conditioned to entertain the medieval horror of a mythical Armegeddon as a real-world goal, and have consequently as a group been desensitized to it's non-mythical consequences. 8. Very few people seem to understand this...
...for what it is. The only thing worse than "my country, right or wrong", is "my party, right or wrong." Obama promises change. Do we elect him and then hold his feet to the fire, or do we elect McCain on the unrealistic hope that if something doesn't work the first eight times, it might just work on the ninth? Mac
"Wouldn't it be great if you could only get AIDS by giving money to television preachers?"~ Elayne Boosler
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