Local school budgets stretched thin. Should we drop art? Sports?

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Posts: 48208 (05/11/08 12:24 PM) CoAdmin.w/Grace06 Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Some local school budgets aren't even sufficient to hire the faculty the Superintendent might want. So where should the budget be cut, to make that possible? Should school districts with budget problems suspend or eliminate sports and arts (music, graphic arts, etc) to focus on key core subjects? The seven deadly sins are: 1. Gluttony 2. Anger 3. Envy 4. Greed 5. Lust 6. Pride 7. Sloth
Thorsen		#1	[-]
Full-Fledged Member Posts: 1245 (05/11/08 01:17 PM) king of the world Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Yes, lets cut out art and music classes. They aren't needed. I mean, who cares if it has been proven that children with exposure to art and music in school do better in mathematics and science as well .... We have to do something. I'm putting a plan together. - Tom Burnett, Flight 93 Are you guys ready? Let's roll! - Todd Beamer, Flight 93 I may very well owe my life to Mark [Bingham] and the others who summoned the enormous courage and love necessary to deny those depraved, hateful men their terrible triumph. Such a debt you incur for life. - Sen. John McCain Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. - John 15:13
sear		#2	[-]
Posts: 48220 (05/12/08 07:49 AM) CoAdmin.w/Grace06 Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	"it has been proven that children with exposure to art and music in school do better in mathematics and science as well ...." Thor OK Thor. Hypothetical: You are the Superintendent of a 280 student suburban middle school / high school in a rust belt State. A modest rise in property taxes (the source of school funding in your State) has been rejected by the district's voters in 4 consecutive elections. You're facing a $quarter $million $dollar budgetary shortfall this year. What are you going to do? Reduce the math and English faculty? Rent the football field out to Rastafarians for their semi-annual smoke in? Get some part time work to try to span the shortfall yourself? The seven deadly sins are: 1. Gluttony 2. Anger 3. Envy 4. Greed 5. Lust 6. Pride 7. Sloth
Luck of the Draw		#3	[-]
Full-Fledged Member Posts: 1837 (05/12/08 07:52 AM) Beat the odds! Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Perhaps if those coporation hadn't avoided paying their fair share the schools wouldn't have to be making such cuts? Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but the moments that take our breath away...
Thorsen		#4	[-]
Full-Fledged Member Posts: 1265 (05/12/08 07:59 AM) king of the world Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Sear, I would cut out organized sporting events before I cut out art and music. I would cut art before I cut music. If my last choice was between music, science, math, and english, I would reluctantly cut music. Children who participate in a real, working music program have been shown that they will have better overall grades in math and the hard sciences. But when I tell people that if we have to absolutely make a choice, let's cut out sports, they look at me as if I had just grown a second head. We have to do something. I'm putting a plan together. - Tom Burnett, Flight 93 Are you guys ready? Let's roll! - Todd Beamer, Flight 93 I may very well owe my life to Mark [Bingham] and the others who summoned the enormous courage and love necessary to deny those depraved, hateful men their terrible triumph. Such a debt you incur for life. - Sen. John McCain Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. - John 15:13
Shut Up Pups.tylerandjacksmo...		#5	[-]
Full-Fledged Member Posts: 275 (05/12/08 08:02 AM) Champion of the Stupid Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Some schools in MD have the cost of extra curricular things such as sports and band offset by the parents in a pay for play situation. My nephews belong to several after school things and their operating expense at least in part is funded by the parents of the students who participate. I absolutely love listening to music, have no desire to create it but I did enjoy the music classes that I received through the years at school. I didn't care as much for the art classes we had but I still consider them important in the development of young minds. It may fall to the parents to assist with the school budget by paying for the extra curricular activities and more participation in school fund raisers to avoid forcing the school to consider eliminating music and art from the curriculum. Warning: Viewing any of my posts could lead to loss of motor control, violent outbursts, extreme fecal urgency and any number of unpleasant side effects. By reading this disclaimer you hereby hold this website blameless in any way shape or form for the utterly senseless numbskullery(I don't think that's an actual word) of my stupid posts I am Champion Of The Stupid. If you need a moron, I'm your man.
Luck of the Draw		#6	[-]
Full-Fledged Member Posts: 1839 (05/12/08 08:05 AM) Beat the odds! Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I'm thinking you'd be forced to cut the fluff and maintain the basics. Push coming to shove.....you're attempting to deliver that which increases the chances of kids competing/aquiring jobs. Or the means of being "educated" self sufficient, productive members of society that is so in demand/mouthed. Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but the moments that take our breath away... Last Edited By: Luck of the Draw 05/12/08 08:11 AM. Edited 1 times.
Elkhorn2		#7	[-]
Full-Fledged Member Posts: 952 (05/12/08 08:06 AM) Buckheads Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Cuts I have been seeing include: Teacher reductions Bus reductions or elimination (especially high school) Closing school libraries Eliminating gifted education programs and some of the AP - Honors programs Raising fees for extracurricular activities Sports - reduce or eliminate (seems to make more people vote for levies) Expanding school facilities using trailers for classrooms Canceling all field trips THE Ohio State University - Do Something Great! Click Here
Ducky M		#8	[-]
Full-Fledged Member Posts: 689 (05/12/08 09:39 PM) Court Jester Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Let's adopt a single sport that every student other than those who are crippled can practice ( once they have remembered how to practice it ). It requires zero time from the instructors, and therefore zero budget. It can be practiced on the way to and from school, as well as between classrooms. It can be promoted by eliminating school busing. It will help to reduce the child obesity problem. The name of the sport starts with "w". Need any more hints? I'm sure Elk will second this loco-motion. Last Edited By: Ducky M 05/12/08 09:42 PM. Edited 2 times.
Macaroo		#9	[-]
Full-Fledged Member Posts: 2093 (05/14/08 07:51 AM) Magnificent Mac Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Good idea, Ducky. This is a bit of a side track, but that's never stopped me before. We live very close to a high school and a middle school. Every weekday, I see people driving their overgrown kids to school from the vast distance of three blocks away. Seriously! I have to say, though, that since gas averages $3.84 a gallon now, there aren't quite as many cars lined up to get to the high school drop off. Mac "So... let me get this straight. You want to fly on a magic carpet to see the king of the potato people and you're telling me you're completely sane?"~ Arnold Rimmer
clemiethedog.myfunnyfarm		#10	[-]
Full-Fledged Member Posts: 2 (05/14/08 11:09 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	One has to ask, why do local communities have so many problems funding schools, libraries, and other features that make life enjoyable, but always find enough money to subsidize a new Wal-Mart or a sports arena? On the TV news last night, the Detroit Fox affiliate polled their viewers. We were given the option of a gas tax holiday', which would amount to saving roughly 40 cents on the gallon, or withholding funds for schools. The gas tax won by a whopping 75-25% margin. Small wonder that US landscape resembles an ugly, sprawling suburban wasteland and kids don't know what the hell the First Amendment means.
Ducky M		#11	[-]
Full-Fledged Member Posts: 714 (05/14/08 02:50 PM) Court Jester Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Macaroo wrote: Every weekday, I see people driving their overgrown kids to school from the vast distance of three blocks away. Seriously! But look at it this way: that's the only way to make sure that the kids won't get run over by cars driven by harried people driving their overgrown kids to school.
Rambo123UK		#12	[-]
Full-Fledged Member Posts: 571 (05/14/08 03:57 PM) Caution: slippery when wet Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Allocate more money to the schools, and/or find ways to stop wasting money (and there's always ways to do that). The truths of religion are never so well understood as by those who have lost the power of reasoning. -- Voltaire BIBLE BABBLE
sear		#13	[-]
Posts: 48284 (05/14/08 06:27 PM) CoAdmin.w/Grace06 Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	"One has to ask, why do local communities have so many problems funding schools, libraries, and other features that make life enjoyable, but always find enough money to subsidize a new Wal-Mart or a sports arena?" clemiethedog [/quote] Hello clemiethedog. I think you've posted @TRT before, probably while we were back @Ez. Looks like they double-registered you or something. No worries. Nice to read you again clemiethedog. You're painfully right about the tax breaks. Ugh! The news is getting so depressing, all newspaper is good for anymore is lining bird cages. Thanks for joining us again clemiethedog. Visit often. Post a lot. The seven deadly sins are: 1. Gluttony 2. Anger 3. Envy 4. Greed 5. Lust 6. Pride 7. Sloth
SouthernLadyGA		#14	[-]
Full-Fledged Member Posts: 112 (05/15/08 12:58 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Sports, music, and art...sometime keep the potential drop out in school... Local Politicians have to mind their P's & Q's because the voters decide a SPLOST. The county I live in uses SPLOST to build new schools, pay down bond debt etc.... Special-purpose local-option sales tax From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In the U.S. state of Georgia, a special-purpose local-option sales tax (SPLOST) can be levied by any county, for the purpose of funding the building and maintenance of parks, schools, roads, and other public facilities. Georgia's state sales tax is currently 4% (groceries and prescription drugs exempted), with the counties allowed to add up to 2% more for SPLOST. A SPLOST is passed by a county commission and voted up or down by residents in a referendum, usually during the next scheduled election. A SPLOST only lasts five years. At that time, if the funds are still needed, it must be voted upon again. All expenditures of SPLOST funds must be in compliance with Article VIII, Section VI, Paragraph IV of the Georgia Constitution and Official Code of Georgia (O.C.G.A.) 48-8-141. One SPLOST (1%) may be used to increase the homestead exemption for property taxes. A SPLOST is not required to exempt groceries, but still cannot be applied to prescriptions. Cities are normally not allowed to levy sales taxes, they instead share proportionately with their county. Since 2004, Atlanta charges a city sales tax of 1% to separate and repair its old sewers and storm drains. Like the sewer tax, the MARTA sales tax is separate and not considered a SPLOST. Counties and school systems are required to provide an independent accountants' report, examining the way the funds were allocated and attesting to the fact that the system receiving funds managed those funds appropriately. "You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. "You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. " "You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. " "You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. " "You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred." "You cannot build character and courage by taking away men's initiative and independence." "You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves". ---Abraham Lincoln--- __________________________________ "You are not drunk if you can lie on the floor without holding on." Last Edited By: SouthernLadyGA 05/15/08 01:11 PM. Edited 2 times.
sear		#15	[-]
Posts: 48316 (05/15/08 03:01 PM) CoAdmin.w/Grace06 Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Well SLGA, I'm no huge fan of taxes. But I guess modest tax increases to pay for a viable public school system makes more sense than having the social problems that attend truancy, drop-outs, and inadequate education. "SPLOST" they call it. Live & learn. The seven deadly sins are: 1. Gluttony 2. Anger 3. Envy 4. Greed 5. Lust 6. Pride 7. Sloth

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