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Posts: 1854 (05/13/08 09:59 PM) Beat the odds! |
Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but the moments that take our breath away...
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Posts: 1925 (05/13/08 10:29 PM) Interpreter |
Thorsen,
Sher, I think you are misunderstanding what "authoritarian" means when taken in the context of this political test. It has nothing to do with enforcing your decisions, but has to do with the level of governmental control.
I'm aware of what the test is trying to do, and what it is asking. I did sort of change the topic some, but a question you asked led me in that direction. I think that discussing the authoritarian nature of leaders is not completely irrelevant to what we are talking about in this thread. I tried to make the point that a lot of us like leadership, while at the same time claim to hate authoritarian figures. We don't seem to realize that the qualities we like of those leaders are precisely the same that dictators have - they make decisions that affect all of us. I wanted us to ponder this.
It has nothing to do with enforcing your decisions, but has to do with the level of governmental control. Ok, let me ask you one more question. You don't think there is any contradiction at all in a person who claims to love liberty, and also likes to have a ruler who enforces decisions upon him? Un solo territorio, una sola bandera. Patria libre o morir! |
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Posts: 1336 (05/13/08 10:48 PM) king of
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I don't like any law that unncessarily infringes on my civil liberties. If a justifiable and overriding reason can be given as to the necessity of a
liberty infringing law then I will grudgingly acquiesce to such a law as long as it is repealed as soon as no longer necessary. That is why liberty tends to be
constrained during times of war and expands during times of peace. That is also why I see extreme dangers with continual warfare such as the "war on
drugs", the "war on terror" and other neverending wars. They are justification to accumulate power at the highest levels of government at the
expense of personal liberty. In other words, I agree with James Madison when he said, "Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to
be dreaded..."
We have to do something. I'm putting a plan together. - Tom Burnett, Flight 93
Are you guys ready? Let's roll! - Todd Beamer, Flight 93 I may very well owe my life to Mark [Bingham] and the others who summoned the enormous courage and love necessary to deny those depraved, hateful men their terrible triumph. Such a debt you incur for life. - Sen. John McCain Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. - John 15:13 |
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Posts: 1855 (05/13/08 11:05 PM) Beat the odds! |
I guess it depends on the degree in which said leader uses his persuasion/clout?
The difference in a "leader" as opposed to a "dictator?" Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but the moments that take our breath away... |
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Posts: 704 (05/14/08 12:46 AM) Court Jester |
Sherezada wrote: How about: please listen to these songs, and please tell me what is right about them,
and what is wrong about them
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Posts: 705 (05/14/08 01:56 AM) Court Jester |
A less specific answer could be: try to act like a tour guide who points out to others any objects of particular inspirational, pedagogical, or aesthetic value
which she has found during her life journey.
The tourists should not get unduly distracted by the alpha males who are in charge of guarding the goodies in the Museum of Life. 
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Posts: 706 (05/14/08 02:11 AM) Court Jester |
Yet another example of non-authoritarian leadership is leading by example: don't do as I say, do as I do.
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Posts: 1926 (05/14/08 08:03 AM) Interpreter |
LotD,
Yes, it's a matter of degree.
The difference in a "leader" as opposed to a "dictator?"I don't think the two terms are mutually exclusive. There is some overlap. Un solo territorio, una sola bandera. Patria libre o morir! |
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Posts: 1927 (05/14/08 08:12 AM) Interpreter |
Ducky,
Yet another example of non-authoritarian leadership is leading by example: don't do as I say, do as I do.You get 100 Sher points for coming up with such a great answer. This completely settles the issue. But I should mention that I don't think this form of leadership can be used to the exclusion of all others, due to its subtlety. If, for example, someone is breaking into your house you may want to be more forceful. Un solo territorio, una sola bandera. Patria libre o morir! |
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Posts: 2160 (05/14/08 08:42 AM) Citizen From Future Obsolete |
I believe the world needs more leaders and fewer rulers.
~Give me Liberty of Give me Death~
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Posts: 1 (05/14/08 11:01 AM) |
This is a good test, far more comprehensive than the others available.
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Posts: 569 (05/14/08 11:04 AM) Caution: slippery when wet |
Can I be the first to welcome another sane and well-adjusted individual to the board? Hello, how are you?
The truths of religion are never so well understood as by those who have lost the power of reasoning.
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Posts: 33 (05/14/08 11:12 AM) |
Your political compassEconomic Left/Right: 1.25
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Posts: 1931 (05/14/08 12:23 PM) Interpreter |
Welcome, clemmie and buckeye.
Buckeye, that is a very cute baby. How did you get him? Un solo territorio, una sola bandera. Patria libre o morir! |
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Posts: 3 (05/14/08 12:40 PM) |
Greetings, fellow travelers. Sear, Gracie, and I are well acquanted through various board hops. Nice to be described as 'sane and well-adjusted' and I
only hope we are in the majority this time around.
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Posts: 708 (05/14/08 12:56 PM) Court Jester |
Sherezada wrote: Indeed. After trying it several times, I have still not found any imitators! Perhaps I need an accomplice to say: "Don't you dare to do like he's doing!
That's absolutely nuts!" |
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Posts: 1933 (05/14/08 02:50 PM) Interpreter |
Ducky,
Indeed. After trying it several times, I have still not found any imitators!It requires a lot of patience, as it doesn't work overnight. I use this method with my children, for instance, and after several decades, they eventually come around. Un solo territorio, una sola bandera. Patria libre o morir! |
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Posts: 715 (05/14/08 03:01 PM) Court Jester |
Sherezada wrote: Yes -- taking a long-range perspective ( which, by the way, is what is mainly missing from the political and economic theories most in vogue today )
certainly helps. If nothing else, it helps me to become more patient. |
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Posts: 48291 (05/15/08 08:10 AM) CoAdmin.w/Grace06 |
"it helps me to become more patient." DM I used to regard patience as exclusively a virtue. I've learned from costly experience that patience can also be a destructive vice. Sometimes, initiative & determination are more appropriate than forbearance. |
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Posts: 2178 (05/15/08 10:03 AM) Citizen From Future Obsolete |
clemiethedog wrote: Your hopes are a reality here...
~Give me Liberty of Give me Death~
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